I know this might be something without a clear answer but the ideas been kicking around for some friends and I for a while:
If a Group Public world is restricted to 18+ verified users and the group name hosting the instance is very clear about the content of the instance (for example a group name of “Nudists” or “No Clothes Crew” or something as descriptive) is this still considered ‘Private’ the way Friends+ seems to be included in now?
I’m interested in hosting worlds where people can be naked and I don’t want to take risks trying to guess at the vague ToS. I do not believe it to be giving anyone unwanted content if they can see what they’re in for first and this would keep children as a concern completely off the table.
I don’t want some public orgy room, I don’t want to encourage public sexual behavior, and I don’t think accurate physical representation in VR is inherently sexual. Some of us feel extremely uncomfortable in our real bodies and being able to simulate a body that feels more natural in a safe place around consenting adults seems reasonable to me.
I’m shocked at the maturity level of 18+ rooms and it’s honestly been a hugely refreshing experience. I trust adults in the presence of moderation that have paid for the right to be there to not go into a room marked “naked people in here” if that offends them.
I also want to advocate for appropriate content tagging when uploading avatars. If you have sexually suggestive material turned off and you see someone naked I see that as a failure of the uploader it should be reported.
Hello, first i believe that a lot of people aren’t mature indeed based on those kind of things, but i like that you may want to have a 18+ place with some mature aspects, but no sexual aspects as well.
I’m just an individual but,
Based on the Wiki Instances - VRChat Wiki and the Community Guidelines Community Guidelines — VRChat What is considered as private instances are any instance that require an “invite”, and by so, Group public is considered public, what would work would be group+, group only, invite, invite+, friends, friends+.
Once you are sure to use those kind of instance and that they are moderated accordingly, then would apply as mentionned in the community guidelines
Certain portions of the “inflammatory behavior” guideline may not apply in Private instances as long as everyone present consents.
Hope this helps, but again, that’s my interpretation of the guidelines.
Hey, thanks for the openminded response. I’d consider a paywall no longer public in the same sense as other public rooms but I understand the distinction you’re making.
“As long as everyone present consents” reads to me as someone seeing a sign that says “No pants in here” and consenting to continue anyways. If Public 18+ rooms were available without the Group setting there’d be more of an issue to me, but with the inclusion of a Group there’s the opportunity to let people know what’s in that room and to consent via entering.
If I’m following what seems to be the spirit of it all it seems like they want to avoid big negative attention where kids are finding their way into strip clubs and getting preyed on by bad actors. Valid and worth keeping that locked down, 100%.
If in the future 18+ is expanded to no longer require VRC+ or any payment, I would hope that extra precautions could be put in place but I’m sure that’s already a big concern to the devs.
I don’t care about how consistent VRC is with their policy. I really don’t. I’d actually rather that they play as loose as they can and be forced to have as little enforcement as possible. I think people like you who “mass report” are a big problem and you should mind your own business.
If you don’t like it, block it and walk away.
I’m not interested in attempts for some “oh please think of the innocents” talk. Personally, I think it’s completely the fault of parents if they allow their children unmonitored access to the internet and I’m sick of needing to parent other people’s kids.
If a child sees something on the internet that’s not my problem and I’m sick of people like you pretending that it should be. Raise your own kids and keep them away from me.
You can consider me an arsonist in your terror scenario then, I want people like you to get out of my business. I’d rather you burn that let you restrict my expression.
Thank you for saying I’ve had a good idea. I appreciate the compliment. I’ll ignore all the completely unrelated fearmongering about moderation or the fact that I advocated reporting badly tagged uploads and accept that you agree with my idea.
I am selfish, yes. If filth wants to proliferate I suppose that’s just what humanity desires. I want spaces I enjoy and I don’t want you taking them from me for some standard I disagree with. I don’t think it’s up to you to decide what is and isn’t appropriate for others to do.
I wish you a happy time on the internet but it sounds like you’re going to have a rough go of things. “Decency” sounds like a lot of work for you and you have my pity. We have far far more moderation available to each one of us than you would ever get in real life. For instance, I can’t just block you right now and exile you from my life the way I would in VRC.
People are right, you really do sound like chat gpt.
Have a wonderful day
