Strongly disagree. Group moderators are the ones who actually spend time in the world with the players observing and overseeing them - they should have the final say on what’s allowed in the instance. On the contrary, most players don’t deal with world creators at all. They might never meet them despite spending hundreds of hours in their worlds.
The current system makes perfect sense - if there’s somebody actively moderating the instance, then it’s up to them to set the rules. If there’s no one (like in a public instance), then it defaults to the rules set by the world creator.
All this talk about “artistic vision” gives me strong “no fun allowed” vibes. What’s next, world creators demand the right to ban specific avatars from their worlds because they don’t fit their vision? If people want to have fun by slapping stickers on the paintings in the art gallery, there’s no harm in that. It’s not the real world, where it could cause actual physical damage to the artwork.
The same goes for stickers on moving objects. I don’t remember it ever causing any serious issues for anyone. Every time we put each other’s faces on fruits in Suika Game or random stuff on platforms in Trash Compactor, it was only good fun and laughs. Even if there’s a legitimate reason to disable them altogether (like they could be used for cheating), the group mods would likely agree with that decision.
This is one of those things where there are a ton of opinions on both sides, all of which are legitimate depending on what kind of user you are. We think we’ve found a pretty good middle-ground here, where public worlds will essentially be as the world creators wants.
It seems there is a critical issue which prevents meeting the terms and agreements of some assets or others.
So… it needs to be considered a little more carefully.
Traditionally, VRChat is cold to the requests of world authors.
It is still understandable to some extent that the world functionality is given a lower priority in favor of features that are convenient for the large population of avatar users.
However, it is even less desirable to actively enforce features that go against the will of the world author.
I am sad that this decision will demotivate sensitive authors who create wonderful worlds, or that the rights holders will give up on publishing their worlds on VRChat.
It’s understandable, but I don’t like the choice. It looks like a middle-ground on the surface, but it lacks the balance of inconvenience or discontent that each side people will feel.
If the features (stickers, etc.) are forced in every world (except public instance), the world creator who doesn’t want them might stop publishing their world to VRChat. Flip it, if the author disables them, the consumer players only face inconvenience in those specific worlds.
In the long term, the former (current choice) will have a higher impact on the VRChat as a whole. I believe VRChat has become bigger based on the creator’s trust that the system will handle their creation works well. I’m afraid that this change will ruin the trust.
If the default selection is enabled (an opt-out system) features will stay in most worlds, but creators keep control. It’s a real middle-ground: authors might lose a few players, players lose some freedom, but neither side’s hit hard enough to quit.
If you keep the choice, you should clearly mention it on the release note, saying the world creator cannot control it in non-public instances. (I had the wrong understanding until I read the conversations here: The instance creator can only be disabled based on the world creators’ default.)
And the website label “Default Content Settings” should be revised because it doesn’t match the actual behavior.
Demotivating it has already accomplished. I’ve put all my WIP world projects on indefinite hold until VRChat changes this.
“VRChat is cold to the requests of world authors” is an understatement. I sometimes feel like they downright hate us.
Edit: To avoid this reply not adding anything to the discussion, I would like to point out that there are legitimate concerns with not respecting world creator’s disabled content settings. The drone is already proving itself to be troublesome at best with it’s ability to collide with the world and game objects. In addition, the drone itself could be used to violate privacy, something that was not an issue with the flying camera. Prints are their own disaster- I really don’t like how they stick around forever until a player leaves the instance. It leads to a lot of clutter, not to mention the questionable things users have displayed as prints.
And when are we getting world physbones? This canny is coming up on 3 years old. While unrelated to the current issue at hand, it’s something I feel like I should bring up, as it’s a perfect example of VRChat’s neglect of world creators. (Another edit: VRC Constraints also don’t work in worlds, another feature solely for avatars) I don’t like the current strategy of the World SDK being drip fed updates from the Avatars SDK. I’m definitely looking forward to Steam Audio, only so we can drop the unmentionably awful VRC Spatial Audio Source component that has been plaguing us for too long. New, big features are nice, waiting sucks- it would be nice for some improvement on what we have while we wait for bigger updates, (that may or may not come) like Soba.
Fortunately, while I feel that VRChat won’t do anything about this clear issue they’ve created, the community is not helpless- remember Booping? I’m glad we got that dropped before it became an issue. This, like Booping, is still an Open Beta feature and can, and hopefully will, be changed before it is fully released.
I don’t have anything in particular to add at this time, but I did want to note that the above feedback re: Instance Settings has been noted and taken back to the team.
Hey for the sake of us who sell avatar bases, could we please make the selecting which is quest and which is pc as part of the Pipeline Manager instead? It would way more useful if this metadata was saved in the scene rather than in the SDK window so that it can be saved and already be configured for a customer who opens the files.
Any news on this? I haven’t seen any change regarding instance settings on Discord or anywhere else, despite patches releasing for other features. Really hoping this will be resolved, world creators need this.
I have not received any concrete answers, but I wonder if the release will be “pushed through”?
I think this is clearly an act of mocking the “creator” and trying to flatter the "consumer.
I understand how VRC+ user benefits of importance, but I hope prioritize creator’s intention, not instance owner.
In some case, Stickers make it difficult to explain the rightsholder(outside VRChat). Print and Drone colliders crash vehicles.
Theses cases are not anticipated by world creator. Its very aonnoying.
New features are good and nice. and these will make VRC+ more worthy.
But in world, if new feature destory world, give creator the options to enable features.
I subcsribed VRC+ from first year. I thinked I use for VRChat Dev and creators join hands to make VRChat Universe more better. Not I wish pushing ahead without discussing creators.
Please make me pay for VRC+ comfortably. I dont like pay VRC+ with resentment.
