# Developer Update - 17 November 2022 **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Updates\ **Created:** [November 18, 2022, 12:58am UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986 "2022-11-18T00:58:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![tupper](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/vrchat/user_avatar/ask.vrchat.com/tupper/32/47486_2.png) [@tupper](https://ask.vrchat.com/u/tupper)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 2:41am UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986/84 "2022-11-21T02:41:29Z")
> [@cyberboy55126](#): > > I don’t know how to set up OSC for a webcam on a Raspberry Pi. That’s fine, you don’t need to. Give it some time and someone will provide an implementation – or alternately, build an implementation yourself! The examples given in our posts were just proposals of possible implementations, not completed-and-ready-for-use applications. Writing up pose detection in Python using OpenCV and driving tracking via OSC using a webcam will be _possible_, but you’d have to write that software yourself. That’s the nature of opening up endpoints like this. “Some Assembly Required” is probably appropriate. 😃 If you’d like to have a full, low-friction full-body solution, Lighthouse + Tundras is my personal favorite. Of course, in trade for that low level of friction, cost does go up. SlimeVR is working on an implementation right now that should be available by the time this goes into Open Beta. > [@nilsaiyanz](#): > > Kinda curious to ask this, can one day maybe we have a different loading screen? One day, but not any time in the near future. ---
**Author:** ![cyberboy55126](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/vrchat/user_avatar/ask.vrchat.com/cyberboy55126/32/11359_2.png) [@cyberboy55126](https://ask.vrchat.com/u/cyberboy55126)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 3:04am UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986/86 "2022-11-21T03:04:18Z")
I have no money to buy trackers. And also, I don’t know the first thing about setting up a complicated Python thing to read and transmit the tracking information for a webcam which is why I’m asking for some detailed documentation on how to set it up. ---
**Author:** ![tupper](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/vrchat/user_avatar/ask.vrchat.com/tupper/32/47486_2.png) [@tupper](https://ask.vrchat.com/u/tupper)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 9:08am UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986/87 "2022-11-21T09:08:00Z")
I would encourage you to wait for a community-created solution. It’s important to understand that what we’re doing here isn’t building a single solution-- we’re opening up a way for anyone to make their own solution, for any hardware. It may take a bit longer for “turnkey” software to exist, but the advantage is that basically _anything_ will work as long as it follows the basic format. ---
**Author:** ![tupper](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/vrchat/user_avatar/ask.vrchat.com/tupper/32/47486_2.png) [@tupper](https://ask.vrchat.com/u/tupper)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 9:08am UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986/88 "2022-11-21T09:08:27Z")
As a side-note, this week’s Dev Update will be skipped due to the Thanksgiving holidays. ---
**Author:** ![cyberboy55126](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/vrchat/user_avatar/ask.vrchat.com/cyberboy55126/32/11359_2.png) [@cyberboy55126](https://ask.vrchat.com/u/cyberboy55126)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 7:07pm UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986/89 "2022-11-21T19:07:56Z")
I understand but I wonder how many people will actually DO a webcam based program. I say that because people seem to like to only use trackers. ---
**Author:** ![tupper](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/vrchat/user_avatar/ask.vrchat.com/tupper/32/47486_2.png) [@tupper](https://ask.vrchat.com/u/tupper)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 7:09pm UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986/90 "2022-11-21T19:09:33Z")
A bunch I’d bet! Actually I think someone in the closed beta threw together a _somewhat_ functional webcam + OpenCV implementation. Last I saw it wasn’t really in a releasable state, but it’s absolutely possible. ---
**Author:** ![cyberboy55126](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/vrchat/user_avatar/ask.vrchat.com/cyberboy55126/32/11359_2.png) [@cyberboy55126](https://ask.vrchat.com/u/cyberboy55126)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 7:11pm UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986/91 "2022-11-21T19:11:40Z")
OOH! I wonder if that person will: a. improve it b. release it publicly with instructions on how to use it when the OSC full body tracking feature releases publicly ---
**Author:** ![genesisaria](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/vrchat/user_avatar/ask.vrchat.com/genesisaria/32/15241_2.png) [@genesisaria](https://ask.vrchat.com/u/genesisaria)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 3:38am UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986/92 "2022-11-22T03:38:16Z")
On a slightly unrelated note, i was surprised to see there wasn’t even a canny post i could find for it, and a strange lack of mention around: The fact that there is **severe head rotation clamping in half body** (and desktop) that is limited far beyond what you can actually do with your camera. One of the mods fixed this, as it was something that users run into annoyance with ingame sometimes _(and myself a lot because i tend to look around and move more than average)_ . . . It’s so severe that you aren’t even able to have your avatar’s head look straight up if you are looking straight up, i run into this issue all the time if someone stands behind me or hugs me from behind and they loom right over me, i can look at them just fine but the avatar’s neck only angles up maybe 60° most. So i don’t look like i’m looking at them even though i am. It probably gets limited outward vocalization because it’s hard to realize what is happening unless you have a personal mirror on at the right angle or someone happens to clue in you were actually trying to look at them directly. The issue is this results in a social disconnect. I made a canny for it too: > **[Canny](https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/unlock-head-rotation-in-half-body-tracking-3-point-etc)** I don’t really understand the disproportional concern for some things for having “potential social implications” and neglect others that actually do have widespread and measurable social implications, such as the lack of better IK _(straight back in double lock would be nice, maybe a way to opt-in for higher ik update rates for friends or by distance even if vrc+)_, view nearplanes, eye/face tracking, chat boxes that everyone can see easily by default, some kind of calibratable visemes etc. ---
**Author:** ![mcardellje](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/vrchat/user_avatar/ask.vrchat.com/mcardellje/32/8337_2.png) [@mcardellje](https://ask.vrchat.com/u/mcardellje)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 7:53am UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986/93 "2022-11-22T07:53:51Z")
I know that FBT and finger movement are separate I just think that if VRC was to add external finger tracking support then this update would be the one to do it in ---
**Author:** ![docteh](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/vrchat/user_avatar/ask.vrchat.com/docteh/32/12171_2.png) [@docteh](https://ask.vrchat.com/u/docteh)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 11:28am UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986/94 "2022-11-22T11:28:32Z")
> [@mcardellje](#): > > I know that FBT and finger movement are separate I just think that if VRC was to add external finger tracking support then this update would be the one to do it in You had me convinced otherwise: > [@mcardellje](#): > > Will the OSC-based FBT also support driving finger motions so you could use something like a leap-motion to get something more similar to the new quest finger tracking on PC? I think we’ll see finger tracking in the future, but not in the next update. ---
**Author:** ![skrooz](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/vrchat/user_avatar/ask.vrchat.com/skrooz/32/8337_2.png) [@skrooz](https://ask.vrchat.com/u/skrooz)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 6:51pm UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986/95 "2022-11-22T18:51:47Z")
Thanks for the update! I’m not sure this is still being monitored 5 days later - but I was wondering if we have any developments around avatar performance rankings including texture memory yet? Do we have any ballparks that can be shared of what to expect for very poor? ---
**Author:** ![tupper](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/vrchat/user_avatar/ask.vrchat.com/tupper/32/47486_2.png) [@tupper](https://ask.vrchat.com/u/tupper)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 7:10pm UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986/96 "2022-11-22T19:10:46Z")
No further development on that at this time. ---
**Author:** ![night](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/vrchat/user_avatar/ask.vrchat.com/night/32/23341_2.png) [@night](https://ask.vrchat.com/u/night)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 2:59am UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986/97 "2022-11-23T02:59:04Z")
any word on persistent world data ? ---
**Author:** ![tupper](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/vrchat/user_avatar/ask.vrchat.com/tupper/32/47486_2.png) [@tupper](https://ask.vrchat.com/u/tupper)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 3:19am UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986/98 "2022-11-23T03:19:42Z")
Nope, no updates at this time. ---
**Author:** ![pareochiyu](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/vrchat/user_avatar/ask.vrchat.com/pareochiyu/32/15048_2.png) [@pareochiyu](https://ask.vrchat.com/u/pareochiyu)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 3:48am UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986/99 "2022-11-23T03:48:35Z")
hello! i have a question how do i send pc tracking data and send it over to quest?? and also is there is a date when is the osc full body tracking is gonna be out?? ---
**Author:** ![irradiatedturtle](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/vrchat/user_avatar/ask.vrchat.com/irradiatedturtle/32/14833_2.png) [@irradiatedturtle](https://ask.vrchat.com/u/irradiatedturtle)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 6:20am UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986/100 "2022-11-23T06:20:01Z")
Regarding the NYE video submission. I am running into issues getting my bit rate low enough to meet standards. Will not meeting that disqualify my video? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![tupper](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/vrchat/user_avatar/ask.vrchat.com/tupper/32/47486_2.png) [@tupper](https://ask.vrchat.com/u/tupper)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 8:55am UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986/101 "2022-11-23T08:55:10Z")
4000kbps at 1080p/30fps is quite a lot of room! What issues are you having? ---
**Author:** ![irradiatedturtle](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/vrchat/user_avatar/ask.vrchat.com/irradiatedturtle/32/14833_2.png) [@irradiatedturtle](https://ask.vrchat.com/u/irradiatedturtle)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 9:05pm UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986/102 "2022-11-23T21:05:01Z")
I cant seem to get it down lower than 10000kbs and the only way it seems to want to lower is if i reduce to 720p. I’m still looking into it though. Using Premier Pro btw. Thanks again! EDIT: I fixed it! Just couldn’t find the settings jeez lol. ---
**Author:** ![tupper](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/vrchat/user_avatar/ask.vrchat.com/tupper/32/47486_2.png) [@tupper](https://ask.vrchat.com/u/tupper)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 11:10pm UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986/103 "2022-11-23T23:10:38Z")
Yes, bitrate is something you set, not something you get as a result of other settings. Glad you figured it out! ---
**Author:** ![Temmie\_Dola](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/vrchat/user_avatar/ask.vrchat.com/temmie_dola/32/11212_2.png) [@Temmie\_Dola](https://ask.vrchat.com/u/Temmie_Dola)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 8:33am UTC](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986/104 "2022-11-24T08:33:47Z")
4000 kbs should be enought. twitch recomend use 4500 for streams [Twitch Streamers - Twitch Video Encoding/Bitrates/And Stuff](https://stream.twitch.tv/encoding/) [Previous page](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986.md?page=4) [Next page](https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-17-november-2022/14986.md?page=6)